Hey all,
Just wanted to come here and say that I am a HUGE Amy Grant fan and promote here in ALL that I do. Where are all you fans???

Hey kariablinger...big Amy fan here...

CHRISTOPHER

I stopped listening to Amy Grant when she committed adultery, and then brags about it with Vince Gill on Country Music Television.

I've been a fan of Amy's for almost 20 years now. I've been listening to alot of her music again since I'll be attending a show of her in August. I went back and listened to "Lead Me On" and was brought to tears by the truth & honesty in the music. No other artists' work touches me the way Amy's does.

And for all those who don't listen to Amy since the break up of her marriage, it's your loss. None of us should judge another until we've walked in their shoes. I think testament is better served by understanding, forgiveness & charity than by judgment.

I LOVE AMY GRANT!

SHE'S SO AWESOME!

"HET LITTLE GIRL RUNNING OUT SO FAST WHY YOU GOTTA SAY THAT LOVE HAS GONE AWAY? IT'S NOT LIKE THAT! LOVE'S NOTLIKE THAT!"

IT'S AN OLD SONG...BUT WOW IT STILL INSPIRES ME!

LOVE YA AMY!!!!!!!!!!

AMYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY come out and post!!!!!!

Don't make me call you on the phone!

WOW I know her phone number? lol

To those who are judging Amy: Please read John 3:17.
If Jesus was not sent to judge and we are to be Christlike, where do you get your permission?
This applies to ANYTHING and ANYTIME wejudge others!
P.S. The last 23 books of the Bible were written to believers and do not apply to non-believers!

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Originally posted by !Alarma:
I stopped listening to Amy Grant when she committed adultery, and then brags about it with Vince Gill on Country Music Television.

Being a Christian gives you the power to love everybody no matter what and you use it (wrongly) to make yourself feel superior when you are not. How "Christlike" of you.

I'm a big Amy fan. I never did stop listening or purchasing her music when she divorced Gary and married Vince but I respect the decision of those who chose to stop listening to Amy for the following reason. People, Christian and un-Christian, abuse the scriptures when Jesus spoke of judging others. Jesus spoke of a judgement of another's spiritual life. No one can claim or confirm that anyone else is going to hell. None of us can claim that Amy Grant is going to hell because of her decision to divorce. Only God has the authority to make that judgement. However, that doesn't mean we as Christians shouldn't do what is expected of us to please God.

I don't believe we should be accusing someone of judging Amy because they choose not to listen to her anymore because don't each one of us make a judgement to accept her music? Why is it suddenly a judgement when the decision is a negative? How about Marilyn Manson, for an example. How many of us "judged" Marilyn Manson and therefore, don't listen to his music or gave it a chance? This is my point. We all make judgements about everything. Even 'caring less' is a judgement. Jesus spoke in book of Matthew of a kind of judgement, not simple judgement.

I for one, continue to listen and enjoy Amy's music though I disagree with her personal choice to divorce and remarry. I am a Christian who listens to a wide variety of good message music from secular artists who've done just that.....divorce and remarry. I've chosen not to single Amy out because of this same decision. I still respect her as an artist and songwriter but this is my choice. I've judge Amy to be an artist worthy of listening to, despite of her 1999 divorce and marriage to Vince. I don't think we can tell any other person to listen or not to listen to Amy, either way.

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Originally posted by lawaz:

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Originally posted by !Alarma:
I stopped listening to Amy Grant when she committed adultery, and then brags about it with Vince Gill on Country Music Television.

Being a Christian gives you the power to love everybody no matter what and you use it (wrongly) to make yourself feel superior when you are not. How "Christlike" of you.

No, he/she is simply calling it like it is.

You better "Wise-Up"...

Yes, I was angry with Amy, but then I was also angry with Sandy Patty for divorcing her husband and then finding out she had an affair and then she married the man she had the affair with. Well it was causing me a lot of bitterness towards them. I finally got over it. I look to the Lord as my role model no one else, because we are all human and we are capeable of falling just like they did. I cannot justify why they did what they did but it's over and they are all happy. Even Amy's ex- Gary got remarried and he seems happy. The kids (both Amy's and Sandy's) all seem well adjusted and happy. They have to answer to the Lord for their lives. What about you?
When you get to heaven will the Lord say to you "well done, my good and faithful servant?"

Someone said Charles Stanley got divorced. I still listen to him. he too has to answer to the Lord (I think his wife divorced him-I'm not sure) My pastor doesn't know why divorced pastors are still in the pulpit. He thinks they need to step down.

James Dobson's son got divorced and James is the head of focus on the Family. How irronic that his own son would get divorced.

Am I going to judge all these people? NO! Let the Lord be their judge. We all need people to help us up when we are down. They say that Christianity is the only religion that shoots their wounded. It is so true. How long are people going to keep harping on someone elses sin? Take the plank out of your own eye.

Amy has been remairred no for about 6/7 years.
ou need to get over her divorce and move on with your own life. Let the Lord take care of Amy. You take care of you.

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Last time I checked, we live in a free country where we are allowed TO VOICE AN OPINION.
This thread is titled 'Supporting Amy' and so naturally people are going to have an opinion regarding her ministry and how we feel about it since the divorce.
I am doing that...

Just like you I was disappointed in her decision when it happened but was over it soon enough.
Not until recently while facing my own struggles and reading up on others who've been through similar situations did I realize just how screwed-up her situation was and in turn how much pain she caused not only her own immediate family but the wife of the one she was chasing after along with the Christian community.

Your post sounds nice, tanya, but just like Amy likes to remind us, some things in life are ugly - plain and simple, and after learning what I've learned now, it boggles my mind that she continues to make music and be an example in the Christian community showing little to no remorse but rather seems to be flaunting it more than anything.
The two most seemingly remorseful songs on 'Simple Things' I just found out were the only two that were not written by her, and unfortunately at this point, I'm not all that surprised.
I also read an interview recently where she basically thumbs her nose at the fans that have struggled with her decision to divorce which really pisses me off - she needs to remember who put her where she is today!

You are more than welcome to your opinion just as I am allowed to have mine.

I'm not judging her soul but I am judging her decisions because she CHOSE to live a life that calls for higher standards, but I wouldn't expect her to understand that - it's biblical.

*Part of an interesting article:


"UNSCRIPTURAL COUNSEL

In an interview with CCM Magazine, Grant notes that she and her husband went through numerous counseling sessions beginning in 1986. Not only did this counseling not save her marriage, some of it apparently contributed to it. She quotes one counselor who gave her the following unscriptural advice:

"Amy, God made marriage for people. He didn’t make people for marriage. He didn’t create this institution so He could just plug people into it. He provided this so that people could enjoy each other to the fullest" ("Judging Amy," CCM Magazine, November 1999, p. 36).

Grant concluded from this that "if two people are not thriving healthily in a situation, I say remove the marriage [and] let them heal" (Ibid., p. 36).

In August 1998, Grant told her husband: "I believe and trust that I’ve been released from this [marriage]" (Ibid., p. 35). She came to this foolish conclusion although she had no biblical grounds for separation or divorce and her husband was committed to the marriage. Only the Lord knows the woman’s heart, but it appears that she had committed herself to marrying another man, to whom she had already given her heart. She admits that she saw in Vince Gill "a true complement" to herself.

In contrast to Grant’s delusion about being released from her marriage, the Bible is very clear about God’s will in this matter:

"And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, LET NOT THE WIFE DEPART FROM HER HUSBAND: But if she depart, let her remain unmarried, or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife" (1 Corinthians 7:10,11).

"The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause? And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that He which made them at the beginning made them male and female, and said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? Wherefore they are no more twain but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder. They said unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away? He saith unto them, Moses, because of the hardness of your hearts, suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so. And I say unto you, WHOSOEVER SHALL PUT AWAY HIS WIFE, EXCEPT IT BE FOR FORNICATION, AND SHALL MARRY ANOTHER, COMMITTETH ADULTERY: AND WHOSO MARRIETH HER WHICH IS PUT AWAY DOTH COMMIT ADULTERY" (Matthew 19:3-9).

Amy Grant's husband did not want the marriage to end and he sought to save it. He told CCM Magazine: "For five years after I was told that I was no longer loved and that she wanted out of the marriage, I refused that because of the kids." He testified of getting down on his knees and begging her not to leave. Contrary to Amy's self-esteem psychobabble about God releasing her from the marriage, Chapman does not believe the divorce is God's will. He says: "It was not God's will that we divorced. It wasn't. That was not His plan. ... Did we allow God to do all He could do? Unquestionably no. No, we did not. 'Irreconcilable differences' [the basis upon which the divorce was sought] is such a lame and hollow phrase. That's what you say when you're afraid to say anything. It's the legalese that allows you to walk away. From my vantage point, we had one irreconcilable difference: I wanted her to stay, and she wanted to leave. Everything else, God could have reconciled" (CCM Magazine, January 2000, pp. 36,37).



JUDGE NOT

In typical CCM fashion, Amy Grant lashes out at those who would judge her. Note the following statements from her interview:

"Let’s get real. Humanity is humanity. You want to know what my real black ugly stuff is? Go look in a mirror, and everything that’s black and ugly about you, it’s the same about me. … No one is ever changed because of judgment. … It doesn’t make one person more holy to point out the sin of another person" (Amy Grant, CCM Magazine, November 1999, p. 38).

While it is true that all are sinners, it is not true that Christians have no right to judge sin. When a member of the church at Corinth committed fornication and brought reproach upon the name of Christ, the congregation followed the Amy Grant philosophy and refused to exercise judgment. Paul rebuked them for their tolerance and lack of judgment in the matter.

"For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, HAVE JUDGED ALREADY, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed, In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ, to deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus" (1 Corinthians 5:3-5).

Christians ARE responsible to reprove sin in the lives of others with the goal of bringing the sinner to repentance.

"And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them" (Ephesians 5:11).

"Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear" (1 Timothy 5:20).

"This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith" (Titus 1:13).

"But exhort one another daily, while it is called Today; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin" (Hebrews 3:13).

"Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him; Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins" (James 5:19,20).

The love of Christ does not overlook sin. The Lord Jesus Christ said, "As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent" (Revelation 3:19)."

*yawn*

Quest 7:

Nore does the Lord keep bringing up your sin.
He casts them in the deepest ocean. never to remember anymore. If he forgives and forgets, why can't you?



"how long, how long must we sing this song".

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Originally posted by tanyabell:
Quest 7:

Nore does the Lord keep bringing up your sin.
He casts them in the deepest ocean. never to remember anymore. If he forgives and forgets, why can't you?



"how long, how long must we sing this song".

Amen Tonya. And where would we be if God Continued to remember and throw up our past sins.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by tanyabell:
Quest 7:

Nore does the Lord keep bringing up your sin.
He casts them in the deepest ocean. never to remember anymore. If he forgives and forgets, why can't you?

I've never demanded her forgiveness nor do I feel she owes me that - I just don't want her representing the Christian community anymore.
It's called 'consequences for ones actions'!

Scenario - My daughter is listening to her unguarded CD and has fallen in love with it and it's message but then later learns that she (Amy)CHOSE to have an affair of the heart, at the very least, divorces her husband who humbly begged her not to go and marries another before the ink on their divorce paper is even dry... what about my daughter, then, eh? And there are plenty more out there!
And PLEASE let's not forget her children who ARE left to suffer the most, whether we "see" it or not.

You know what? Screw that! There are many of us in less visible positions making our own sacrifices in our marriages and are much better examples, yet, less is required of us in God's eyes because we aren't carrying His name the way she is she yet she continues to make money off of it??

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Originally posted by guest7:

I've never demanded her forgiveness nor do I feel she owes me that - I just don't want her representing the Christian community anymore.
It's called 'consequences for ones actions'!

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Yes. Please speak to the "Christian community" and tell them you don't want Amy "representing" them anymore. Be sure to let us know how it goes.
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"Scenario - My daughter is listening to her unguarded CD and has fallen in love with it and it's message but then later learns that she (Amy)CHOSE to have an affair of the heart, at the very least, divorces her husband who humbly begged her not to go and marries another before the ink on their divorce paper is even dry... what about my daughter, then, eh? And there are plenty more out there!"

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A. If your daughter is -even figuratively- listening to "Unguarded," and "has fallen in love with it," she's like 45 years old and still living at home and you've got a much bigger problem than what Amy Grant has done or will ever do.

B. Your "scenario" is not supported well by facts. Amy and Gary SEPARATED (as in not sleeping together, a matter of public record) nearly 2 years before the impending divorce was announced, let alone filed. Gary began dating Jennifer his current wife, in January of '99 after the media announced the demise of the marriage on December 31, 1998. No one who knew them was at all surprised. The divorce was final in June of '99. Amy and Vince married in March of 2000 and Gary and Jen in July of 2000 although Gary announced their engagement right after Valentine's Day of 2000. The ink was quite dry for both of them.

C. You have based your assumptions on two magazine articles which is beyond foolish and more in the realm of so unrealistic as to be unmentionable. It's usually not a good idea to talk about things of which you are painfully ignorant as in the very nature of their courtship and marriage prior to the separation which was riddled with problems from the get-go (and not helped by Gary concealing a rather hefty drug-habit for which he, a talented guy, had my complete sympathy.) If Amy's guilty of anything, it's of not listening to her gut instincts in the courtship that pointed out the red flags and her misgivings, also a matter of public record as reported while they were in some of their happier phases. This is a typical stumbling block for women who are rarely taught to trust themselves. She was only a teenager when they met and some compassion is due her for her decision to marry him. If you'd read or bothered to quote from any prior magazine articles you'd have seen quotes like, "I told my mother (after marrying Gary) this is the worst thing I've ever done" and followed it with what Gloria said to console her daughter. You however, make it sound like they had a normal "fight a little/kiss and make up" relationship and then Amy cruelly left as inexplicably as a gust of wind while Gary, the poor, innocent, confused, doting sap was on his knees crying and begging her to stay. That's a movie, not a marriage and certainly not Amy Grant's 1st marriage. The crying and begging came, sadly, too late.

C. The only marriage your kids are going to imitate is your own so you needn't trouble yourself with Amy's power of persuasion in that regard. If you've brought your children up in the values you believe are right and they run off to copy Amy Grant, you've got a bigger problem than you've mentioned. Me thinks you doth PROJECT too much and this rampage you've gone on is really about your own issues which is why you've chosen another woman to demonize instead of going after the innumerable amount of men who are in -MINISTRY- as in ordained, and are in fact divorced. They're not getting your wrath and yet they represent "the Christian community" in a far more definitive way as bonafide authority figures, every day. This obvious inequity in your allegations is yet another indication of how unbalanced and abnormal your perspective truly is and how deep your state of denial is as well.
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"You know what? Screw that! There are many of us in less visible positions making our own sacrifices in our marriages and are much better examples, yet, less is required of us in God's eyes because we aren't carrying His name the way she is she yet she continues to make money off of it??

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D. I'm sorry you feel you aren't "carrying God's name" (and making any money off of it to soothe your acrimonious disposition) but you are in fact carrying God's name and splattering it all over this forum. Amy Grant never claimed publicly or privately to be a "minister" or have a "ministry." She said she was a "performer," a singer, etc., etc., etc., and harshly criticized for that position too. Go hunt up some early, I mean early interviews of her at 17, 18, 19, saying she was open to all kinds of projects and styles of music, not just material "that mentions Jesus" which is why no person ever saw on any album, any airplane, any tour bus, any t-shirt, any tote-bag or visor a logo that read "Amy Grant Ministries." Yes, it was always moving when she did El Shaddai in concert but there weren't tables set up at the front for folks to come forward and give their lives to Christ at the end of each concert, there was no telephone staff poised and trained to take prayer requests, and she's never preached. Amy Grant was a teenage girl of uncommon beauty and average talent who by a stroke of providence got a recording contract in a brand new genre of music in the 70s, wrote a few songs, and mostly cheered people up for a couple of hours, while inspiring young girls to perm their hair in long ringlets, ultimately pioneering a path that enabled other women to follow her, and that is all. Yes, she's a part of the spiritual history of many of us, but not as a minister. As a singer, she is free in this country to sing about whatever she wants. You don't have to buy her records or attend her concerts. And you know what? All kinds of people in the CHRISTIAN music business, recording artists, producers, writers, publishers, promoters, musicians,technicians who are an integral part in getting the product into your hands, are D-I-V-O-R-C-E-D. Again, their worth and contributions aren't solely defined by their marital status. According to your criteria we should all go to the Sistine Chapel and rip it down because the artist who painted such glorious and obviously inspired images was a practicing homosexual. How many other icons do you wish to destroy because the creative personality behind it did not match your idea of a worthy representative?

What's wrong with your assertions is that you want to plug Amy into a position reserved for those in ordained ministry,(as in recognized, supported and held accountable to the specific polity and doctrine of a particular denomination) or have her follow the discipline of your denomination when she needn't do any such thing. She's a singer, a wife,(now a happy one) a mother, a sister, a daughter, a friend and very professional in her vocation as anyone who's ever worked with her will attest. She's also incredibly nice.

If then your mission is to rid the world of divorced "representatives in the Christian community," translation: flawed, damaged human beings who've made mistakes, then go right ahead knowing when you're finished there will be no one left. Should we then give you a heartfelt round of applause for the depressing silence you've left in its place? I sure would miss Kim Hill's molasses alto lushly singing Psalm 1, but oops, she's divorced too and no word on who filed or who's fault it was so be sure to strike her name off the list. And then there's Jaci, and Sheila, and Sandy and Bonnie and Susan, and Melanie and well, too many more to even mention and that's just a few of the women who are divorced. Haven't gotten to the guys yet and there's a ton of them too.

Please, for your sake, do a Michael Jackson here and go back to your own mirror and deal with your own resentment in terms of your own personal circumstances. You've only posted a few hostile times and could easily fade away with most everyone unaware you were ever here at all which I'd recommend and the rest of us will pray for your situation to improve. Otherwise, expect to be continually rebuked, rejected and ignored for your poorly formulated, illogical point of view and rather clumsy use of scripture. If your purpose in joining the forum was to somehow "win friends and influence enemies" to your way of thinking, you haven't scored, not even once.

you know, I think if people don't have anything nice to say about Amy, maybe they should go find an Amy bashing forum instead of commenting on this one.

I get so tired of Christians who can not let go of others Christians failures. If you don't like the fact that Amy is still in the public eye, then don't listen to her music or read articles on her. I think people like you are more hurtful to the cause of Christ than Amy's failed marriage or anyone elses.

David sinned big time, and the Lord still used him. God is not finished using Amy either.
If The Lord used a jackass(Balaam's) he can still use Amy or me or anyone else who falls and stumbles. All we need are people willing to help us up and get back on track, and then stand with us. We are all in this race together. Let's encourage each other to press on towards the prize which is Christ Jesus.

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Originally posted by Lucie Manette:

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Originally posted by guest7:

I've never demanded her forgiveness nor do I feel she owes me that - I just don't want her representing the Christian community anymore.
It's called 'consequences for ones actions'!

______________________________________

Yes. Please speak to the "Christian community" and tell them you don't want Amy "representing" them anymore. Be sure to let us know how it goes.
____________________________________

"Scenario - My daughter is listening to her unguarded CD and has fallen in love with it and it's message but then later learns that she (Amy)CHOSE to have an affair of the heart, at the very least, divorces her husband who humbly begged her not to go and marries another before the ink on their divorce paper is even dry... what about my daughter, then, eh? And there are plenty more out there!"

_________________________________

A. If your daughter is -even figuratively- listening to "Unguarded," and "has fallen in love with it," she's like 45 years old and still living at home and you've got a much bigger problem than what Amy Grant has done or will ever do.

B. Your "scenario" is not supported well by facts. Amy and Gary SEPARATED (as in not sleeping together, a matter of public record) nearly 2 years before the impending divorce was announced, let alone filed. Gary began dating Jennifer his current wife, in January of '99 after the media announced the demise of the marriage on December 31, 1998. No one who knew them was at all surprised. The divorce was final in June of '99. Amy and Vince married in March of 2000 and Gary and Jen in July of 2000 although Gary announced their engagement right after Valentine's Day of 2000. The ink was quite dry for both of them.

C. You have based your assumptions on two magazine articles which is beyond foolish and more in the realm of so unrealistic as to be unmentionable. It's usually not a good idea to talk about things of which you are painfully ignorant as in the very nature of their courtship and marriage prior to the separation which was riddled with problems from the get-go (and not helped by Gary concealing a rather hefty drug-habit for which he, a talented guy, had my complete sympathy.) If Amy's guilty of anything, it's of not listening to her gut instincts in the courtship that pointed out the red flags and her misgivings, also a matter of public record as reported while they were in some of their happier phases. This is a typical stumbling block for women who are rarely taught to trust themselves. She was only a teenager when they met and some compassion is due her for her decision to marry him. If you'd read or bothered to quote from any prior magazine articles you'd have seen quotes like, "I told my mother (after marrying Gary) this is the worst thing I've ever done" and followed it with what Gloria said to console her daughter. You however, make it sound like they had a normal "fight a little/kiss and make up" relationship and then Amy cruelly left as inexplicably as a gust of wind while Gary, the poor, innocent, confused, doting sap was on his knees crying and begging her to stay. That's a movie, not a marriage and certainly not Amy Grant's 1st marriage. The crying and begging came, sadly, too late.

C. The only marriage your kids are going to imitate is your own so you needn't trouble yourself with Amy's power of persuasion in that regard. If you've brought your children up in the values you believe are right and they run off to copy Amy Grant, you've got a bigger problem than you've mentioned. Me thinks you doth PROJECT too much and this rampage you've gone on is really about your own issues which is why you've chosen another woman to demonize instead of going after the innumerable amount of men who are in -MINISTRY- as in ordained, and are in fact divorced. They're not getting your wrath and yet they represent "the Christian community" in a far more definitive way as bonafide authority figures, every day. This obvious inequity in your allegations is yet another indication of how unbalanced and abnormal your perspective truly is and how deep your state of denial is as well.
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"You know what? Screw that! There are many of us in less visible positions making our own sacrifices in our marriages and are much better examples, yet, less is required of us in God's eyes because we aren't carrying His name the way she is she yet she continues to make money off of it??

__________________________________________

D. I'm sorry you feel you aren't "carrying God's name" (and making any money off of it to soothe your acrimonious disposition) but you are in fact carrying God's name and splattering it all over this forum. Amy Grant never claimed publicly or privately to be a "minister" or have a "ministry." She said she was a "performer," a singer, etc., etc., etc., and harshly criticized for that position too. Go hunt up some early, I mean early interviews of her at 17, 18, 19, saying she was open to all kinds of projects and styles of music, not just material "that mentions Jesus" which is why no person ever saw on any album, any airplane, any tour bus, any t-shirt, any tote-bag or visor a logo that read "Amy Grant Ministries." Yes, it was always moving when she did El Shaddai in concert but there weren't tables set up at the front for folks to come forward and give their lives to Christ at the end of each concert, there was no telephone staff poised and trained to take prayer requests, and she's never preached. Amy Grant was a teenage girl of uncommon beauty and average talent who by a stroke of providence got a recording contract in a brand new genre of music in the 70s, wrote a few songs, and mostly cheered people up for a couple of hours, while inspiring young girls to perm their hair in long ringlets, ultimately pioneering a path that enabled other women to follow her, and that is all. Yes, she's a part of the spiritual history of many of us, but not as a minister. As a singer, she is free in this country to sing about whatever she wants. You don't have to buy her records or attend her concerts. And you know what? All kinds of people in the CHRISTIAN music business, recording artists, producers, writers, publishers, promoters, musicians,technicians who are an integral part in getting the product into your hands, are D-I-V-O-R-C-E-D. Again, their worth and contributions aren't solely defined by their marital status. According to your criteria we should all go to the Sistine Chapel and rip it down because the artist who painted such glorious and obviously inspired images was a practicing homosexual. How many other icons do you wish to destroy because the creative personality behind it did not match your idea of a worthy representative?

What's wrong with your assertions is that you want to plug Amy into a position reserved for those in ordained ministry,(as in recognized, supported and held accountable to the specific polity and doctrine of a particular denomination) or have her follow the discipline of your denomination when she needn't do any such thing. She's a singer, a wife,(now a happy one) a mother, a sister, a daughter, a friend and very professional in her vocation as anyone who's ever worked with her will attest. She's also incredibly nice.

If then your mission is to rid the world of divorced "representatives in the Christian community," translation: flawed, damaged human beings who've made mistakes, then go right ahead knowing when you're finished there will be no one left. Should we then give you a heartfelt round of applause for the depressing silence you've left in its place? I sure would miss Kim Hill's molasses alto lushly singing Psalm 1, but oops, she's divorced too and no word on who filed or who's fault it was so be sure to strike her name off the list. And then there's Jaci, and Sheila, and Sandy and Bonnie and Susan, and Melanie and well, too many more to even mention and that's just a few of the women who are divorced. Haven't gotten to the guys yet and there's a ton of them too.

Please, for your sake, do a Michael Jackson here and go back to your own mirror and deal with your own resentment in terms of your own personal circumstances. You've only posted a few hostile times and could easily fade away with most everyone unaware you were ever here at all which I'd recommend and the rest of us will pray for your situation to improve. Otherwise, expect to be continually rebuked, rejected and ignored for your poorly formulated, illogical point of view and rather clumsy use of scripture. If your purpose in joining the forum was to somehow "win friends and influence enemies" to your way of thinking, you haven't scored, not even once.

Ahhh, a long-winded and extremely over-emotional post; typical.
Do I post like I'm here to "make friends", Lucie? Get a frickin' grip!
I've got real life friends, and the majority feel the same way I do only they refer to her as 'Pagan Amy' unlike myself and a few others...


I'm going to point this out and you can either choose to refute it or continue to attack me while simply making generic excuses for her.

(BTW, do you work for 'Word records'?)

It's simple. In our vows we promise before God and our witnesses that we will stay "for better or for worse"? Do you get that?
You can spew your take on it all day long, but biblically God's word gives two reasons for it; infidelity and someone married to an unbeliever who decides to walk. That's it.
You don't like it, take it up with God - NOT ME!

Another thing - this idea that she isn't called to a higher standard because she is "just a singer" is absolute nonesense.
She made her way by starting in the Christian ministry and is, in fact, an example representing us. Google and you will find the majority regard her as a "gospel singer."
In other words, she teaches others about Jesus through song! Just because she tries to clear the path to protect herself doesn't make it so...

And, my daughter is 11, not 45. I bought the tape years ago after attending her 'Unguarded' tour and she pulls it out every once in a while to listen to it these days.

Tanya,
You are right that David was still special in God's eyes, but their relationship was never the same after the incident, which, to me, speaks volumes.

Gary's point is what stands above everything else - "the only difference was that I wanted her to stay and she wanted to leave. There was nothing in our marriage that God couldn't have reconciled."

And I'm sure Janis Gill would have preferred Amy would have chosen to have seen it that way, too!

If then your mission is to rid the world of divorced "representatives in the Christian community," translation: flawed, damaged human beings who've made mistakes, then go right ahead knowing when you're finished there will be no one left Should we then give you a heartfelt round of applause for the depressing silence you've left in its place? I sure would miss Kim Hill's molasses alto lushly singing Psalm 1, but oops, she's divorced too and no word on who filed or who's fault it was so be sure to strike her name off the list. And then there's Jaci, and Sheila, and Sandy and Bonnie and Susan, and Melanie and well, too many more to even mention and that's just a few of the women who are divorced. Haven't gotten to the guys yet and there's a ton of them too.


Priceless! This part of your post is far too important not to point out on it's own.
What a bunch of BS, Lucie! Does this justify divorce, then?
Really, what is your point?

It's like the old saying, "just because your friend jumps off a cliff, should you?"


Are you aware of the process and how decisive your plans to make this choice have to be?
It's not some irrational move that we all make at times - typical mis-judgments as humans as you so kindly like to make it out to be.

Get real! It involves a lot of time to really think things through and realize that those closest to us have to suffer all for the sake of our "earthly happiness"...

Aren't we as Chrisitans meant to show that only true 'joy', not earthly generic happiness, comes from a relationship with Christ and in turn what we can do for others and not what we can do for ourselves???